Comments on: OMG Budget Crisis! Because of the Tax Cuts for the Rich! https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/ MoveOn is a community of millions of Americans from all walks of life who use innovative technology to lead, participate in, and win campaigns for progressive change. Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:04:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Dillon Temple https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4927 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 02:40:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4927 @patricknn1. The public sector has a motive other than its own checkbook? The private sector has just made the illusion of one.. “creating jobs” If i was a heartless billionaire who’s annual bonus went down to 1.3 billion instead of the regular 1.5 billion, hey.. i’d probably hate poor people toonn2. What gives conservatives the right to think they shouldn’t help the government get out of this slump just because other people arn’t as rich as them? Some people in this country were born with the gift of being able to make a lot of money, and they wouldn’t even have that money if it weren’t for the people of the United States.. but they “worked hard” to get where they are, so I guess they can just pretend to be patriotic while they hold on to every nickle they can as they watch the whole country rot around them.nn3. You mean policies that deregulate anything they can get away with and exploit some reaganomics bullshit tax curve that “says” reducing taxes on the rich will help create jobs, but in actuality just gives more money to these rich assholes who have enough money to personally persuade politicians ? ya, lets hold THOSE programs accountablenn4. Wouldn’t we all like to know, but lets give me more money to rich people and take it away from teachers in the mean time. Thats where the trillions of dollars went! INTO THE POCKETS OF TEACHERS! Your precious tax cuts got passed at unemployment still goes up, what happened to creating jobs? Oh right, its Democrats fault because of … blah blah no sense poltical retoricnnPoliticans don’t care at all, they pass legislation under the radar all the time and spin it when someone throws it in their face. Wisconsin’s douchebag governor obviously lacks finesse, but he’s a prime example of politicans lack of giving a shit about people that arn’t giving up mass campaign contributions or god knows what else that the majority of people dont even seennPeople hate Republican’s because alls they have to do is be stubborn and they get their way, and people hate Democrats because they are apathetic pieces of trash that just let all this shit happen

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By: Dan Thibodeau https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4918 Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:32:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4918 In reply to patrick radomsky.

No taxes, no government. No government, no laws. No laws, no property. Therefore, No taxes, no property. nnYou cannot have even a corporate plutocracy without taxes.nnMoreover, all law is enforced by violence ultimately. Property is based on violence – read your history books to see how the current distribution of wealth was created,nnAny just society, and certainly any democracy must be based on something more than force. Ie., a social contract, which establishes an arrangement that is fair for everyone. nnCorporate capitalism is inherently amoral, and therefore it is often immoral. The distribution of wealth that stems from our current corporate system is obscenely immoral and unjust.nnSo, there is a legal and a moral basis for taxation, especially of the super rich who, for the most, part did not in any way “earn” their wealth. There is a big difference between creating wealth and in accumulating wealth.

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By: Stanfield Major https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4892 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:02:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4892 In reply to Brilliant.

You aren’t following where your money really goes. nnWall Street is full of people who made some very bad decisions. And they got your money. nnNow they’re laughing their way to the bank. Banks also got your money. They’re laughing too.

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By: Stanfield Major https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4890 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:58:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4890 In reply to Brilliant.

You’ve bought into the dream the moneyed interests are feeding you. Actually it’s a fantasy. Tomorrow it’s going to rain pennies from heaven. nnTomorrow never comes. All you’ve got is today.

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By: Stanfield Major https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4889 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:52:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4889 In reply to Brilliant.

So, why don’t you have compassion?nnAnd are you aware that some of those who’ve gained the most in our country do NOT pay their taxes? Who, no doubt, chuckle up their sleeves because you, like a little sheep, do?

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By: Stanfield Major https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4888 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:45:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4888 In reply to Brilliant.

How much money do you need to have a fulfilling life?nnDoes stockpiling assets add to happiness?nnHaven’t you yourself just revealed that you have a “sense of entitlement”?

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By: Rick Shorrock https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4880 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:56:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4880 Okay, this is the end of the argument. It all comes down to this: There is Capitalism, which has been shown to foster a democratic society, freedom, creativity, wealth and economic excess. And there is Socialism, which fosters total government control, lack of freedoms, no wealth for anyone except for lawbreakers and those controlled by the government; no creativity, and economic excess for none except the government. So you have to ask yourself: Which do I choose?

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By: Rick Shorrock https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4842 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 01:57:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4842 In reply to Anonymous.

Exactly! That’s why we have unions. Or that used to be the force behind unions. This whole debate is about money, and the love of it. Everyone’s mad at the CEO’s of financial institututions, and angry that they’re receiving such large severance packages. Well, so what? They contracted for that with their company. What business is it of ours how much they make? When you apply for a job, and you get hired at a certain wage per hour, that’s what you are contracted to get. You just can’t determine for yourself that you are entitled to more money. And that’s the problem. It’s not the rich who are destroying the middle class. It’s the government’s “spread the wealth around” attitude that is destoying incentives to become rich. The big businesses are the ones that can afford to hire hundreds or thousands of workers. The workers in turn buy products with and pay taxes on their income, and that enables the businesses they buy from to hire more employees, and so on. That’s how capitalism works. And hopefully the government in place doesn’t overspend all the income it gets in American workers’ taxes. It used to be that if you work hard, follow the rules, pay your taxes, that you have every opportunity to be rich. You had pride if you made something of yourself. But this anti-capitalistic attitude, where people frown on someone, just because their rich, has got to stop! By the way, the people that are screaming the loudest about rich people should scream the loudest at our federally-elected leaders who have been at the trough for many years. President on down! If they were paid minimum wage by the hour, and had to pay for their own gas and their own vehicle and their own home, maybe they wouldn’t be fighting so much trying to get re-elected. Everyone I tell that to says, “Well, they need those perks, because they do such a hard job and their…” What, rich?

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By: Rick Shorrock https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4841 Sat, 12 Mar 2011 01:35:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4841 In reply to Brilliant.

I agree. I noticed that at the beginning of the housing bubble collapse and the resulting recession, that there was one Democrat that said he was going on a five-dollar-a-day meal budget, because of the taxpayers losing so much money having to pay him, and he dared his collegues to follow his lead. No one took him up on it! And didn’t Congress all get pay raises during the recession? Seems that everyone want to “spread the wealth around” unless it’s their wealth!

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By: Ernesto https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4834 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:56:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4834 I am for the people & for The United States of America not the United Corporations of America…nnPeople are people nCorporations are not people. Citizens United case needs to be overturned….,

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By: Ernesto https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4833 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:54:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4833 In reply to patrick radomsky.

2. What gives liberals the belief that government is entitled to this money in the form of tax revenue?nnAnswer: The government is entitled to this money because the tax code always was much higher until Reagan, Bush Sr. & Bush Jr. lowered it to create jobs that never happened. In fact during both Bush years there was little job creation. In fact Clinton had more jobs created than both Bush Sr. & Bush Jr. along with Reagan screwed things up. nnRoads need to be built, teachers, fire fighters, policeman, infrastructure u2013 roads, highways, trains, etcu2026 I donu2019t think the private sector wants to pay for these services on there own.nnNot everyone is perfect but corporations need checks & balances so that they play fair. n

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By: Anonymous https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4734 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:44:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4734 The problem isn’t wealth it’s power. The wealthy donate billions of dollars for those tax cuts. You can too. Try donating some of that garbage sitting in your basement to a local organization for the needy. All of the local hospitals were built and run with donations from local wealthy families and businesses. Their donations help pay for many things that medicare and medicaide won’t cover. The problem is corporations and unions! They get that big and they start lacking in human interest. It’s like a big robot telling itself what to do to get larger and more powerful! Another problem isn’t with spending within the country. It’s when we send our money overseas to other countries. Like china. Example of a corp. (Wal-mart) Almost everything they sell is mass produced in china. Every dollar we send overseas is selling the land we stand on to them!! If the chinese told us to pay every dollar this country owed to them. “We’d be bankrupt!!!” We already have insurance for those in need. Why do we need insurance for everyone,The wealthy included. Nothing in this world is free. Why should our taxes have to pay for the wealthy peoples insurance also? P.S. Hitler came to power during germany’s depression. He promised jobs doing roadwork. Instead he totally bankrupted them and took government rule! a couple of months ago I checked Obama’s facebook page and he was talking about offering jobs doing roadwork.(Interstates and Highways) Sound familiar?? Study your history books.

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By: Anonymous https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4725 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:02:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4725 The problem isn’t the wealthy. It’s all about power. The wealthy make billions of dollars in donations to get those tax cuts. And so can you! Try donating some of that garbage sitting in your basement that you haven’t used in years-TAX CUT! All of the big hospitals here were built and operated with donations from local wealthy families. Their donations also help with many other things that medicaide and medicare doesn’t cover. Like certain medications. Take success away from the nation and maybe it won’t hurt you but what about your children? Will they have the chance at the american dream? The problem is corporation and unions. When they get that big you don’t have the human interest anymore. You have a robot telling itself selfishly what to do to make it bigger and more powerful. Another problem isn’t spending in this country as it is sending our money overseas! Right now we’re selling our land to china. One EX. of corporations-(Wal-mart). Almost everything they sell is mass produced in china. And isn’t worth a D—!! Over half the things I purchase made in china don’t work in the first place or break not long after.

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By: kimberly https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4715 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:33:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4715 In reply to Brilliant.

If you really think that everyone has the same opportunities you are childishly mistaken.

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By: LIL Louie https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4648 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 04:01:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4648 If they were not the rich you would be the rich and then you would be looking for tax loop holes. Even now the people in the middle class are looking for loop holes in the tax laws so they don’t have to pay these high taxes that the Republicrats have put on us.

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By: patrick radomsky https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4594 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:29:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4594 Can one of you starry eyed liberals who believe government can do no wrong please explain a couple of things for me?n1. If the greed and lack of concern for the common good is found in individuals in the private sector, what prevents these same evils from existing in individuals in the public sector?n2. What gives liberals the belief that government is entitled to this money in the form of tax revenue? It is always argued by the left that allowing others to keep more of the money they generate is somehow done at the expense of government.n3. Shouldn’t we make the programs we have in place lready accountable before creating more agencies, regulations, etc? There were sufficient agencies in place to regulate the financial industry prior to the recession yet NONE of them prevented the economic collapse. n4. Why is the economy flat and why do we have no job creation when government spending is between 20-25% of GDP?

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By: patrick radomsky https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4591 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:18:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4591 sy61…”Shame” on Americans like yourself who shop at WalMart and seek the lowest price for the items you buy. “Shame” on union members who demand more in payment for less work every time contracts are renegotiated. “Shame” on Congress for piling on layer after layer of duplicate regulations which make American companies less competitve. Shame on both parties for taking fistfulls of money from corporations at the expense of working Americans

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By: Anonymous https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4333 Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:38:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4333 In reply to Anonymous.

@1Capitalist, if you are so self-sufficient why do you accept the 3% tax break Bush gave you? Do you need that government hand-out?

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By: Anonymous https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4332 Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:33:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4332 In reply to Brilliant.

@Brilliant. You seem to be missing my point. By supporting tax breaks for the wealthy, you are supporting a redistribution of wealth. . . to the wealthy. I assume you can wrap your head around the idea that these tax breaks are a hand out to the wealthy. This is why I will again ask you, why do you discriminate? Why are the wealthy more deserving of your hard earned dollars than the poor?

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By: Anonymous https://front.moveon.org/budget-crisis-tax-cuts-rich/#comment-4303 Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:08:00 +0000 http://front.moveon.org/?p=1226#comment-4303 In reply to Anonymous.

There is no such thing as “American corporations”. They have no alliance to anything but profit.

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